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Ray

Delay/Echo/Reverb pedal for harp

Can anyone recommend an inexpensive delay/echo/reverb pedal that sounds good with harp? One that won't affect the tone much. I've read that some pedals for guitar aren't so good with harp. I'm talking less than a $100
                           Thanks,
                               Ray
Jaybird

Ray,  I have started using a Boss DD-3 delay pedal and love it.  You can set it for a slightly wet "slapback" or crank it into some sort of Twighlight Zone.  I picked mine up in a trade for a SM57 I wasn't using.  If you are patient, you may get one off Ebay for under $100.  Check out Adam Gussows Utube, He uses one on his harp things.
Ray

Thanks Jaybird, I'll check those out.
I meant to mention in my post new or used, because I would be shopping ebay, but forgot to. Thanks again.

                                             Ray
vibrolux56

Ray, I recently bought a Danelectro DE-1 echo pedal on the advice of Pete Sheridan, in his book 'The Quest For TONE in Amplified Bluesharp'. I love it, I tried a Dano 'REEL ECHO' and hated it, but the less expensive DE-1 is great.  Pete also suggests the Ibaez DL 10 and CD 10. I bought the DE-1 for $40 on fleabay. It's the lavendar colored one with 5 knobs. good luck, J D Cool
Ray

I've wondered about the Dan Echo but haven't heard anyone mention them for harp. I have a friend that uses a Ibanez AD-9 and likes it but usually sell higher than the DE-1 on ebay. I'll check the DL10 and CD10 as well as the DE-1 and Boss DD-3. I was leaning toward a DE-1 but hadn't heard from anyone that used them with harp. Thanks JD

                                                         Ray
fishfeathersmacteeth

...I was a long-time fan of Danelectro's BLT mini-pedal...but durability problems cured me of that...great sound just a fragile plastic case...

...I'm currently using a Belcat Delay pedal which really is cheap...but got a metal case, sounds as good as the BLT but a lot more durable.... Cool
Ray

Thanks macteeth, I'll see what I can find on ebay on the Belcat delay.
I appreciate everyone that has taken the time to respond to my question. I'm checking on each one that has been recommended. And if anyone else is using something different but is in the lower price range. let me know.

I have a BLT that has cracked plastic inside the case where "in" plug is. Luckly the way it is constructed inside I was able to wedge some cardboard in to hold it in place. Your right, they don't sound bad for a cheap pedal but are prone to cracking.

                                                        Ray
CaHarpz

I picked up a FAB echo from Danelectro for $10.00 new in the box at guitar center. Works greats, for what i want for now. There is a awesome harp delay on the market by randy landry over at lone wolf blues company. Made just for the harp. The guy did a awesome "tone-up" on my Valve Junior and it turned out great !

www.lonewolfblues.com
isaac

I too have a fab echo... I am about to do a very simple modification to it to enable the delay time to be set. You can read about that mod at this thread: http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=41465.0

   Do note that the fab may thin your tone a bit, especially if you are using a High Z mic. An impedance matching buffer before it can help. There is a page about building such a buffer into the DanEcho (not the Fab, but the idea is the same) here: http://www.e-basteln.de/harp/
   I have not used such a buffer with the fab echo, but I am planning to build a very simple single FET unity-gain buffer and inline volume control that will go directly after my mic, and which will achieve the same affect...
isaac

isaac wrote:
I too have a fab echo... I am about to do a very simple modification to it to enable the delay time to be set. You can read about that mod at this thread: http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=41465.0

   Do note that the fab may thin your tone a bit, especially if you are using a High Z mic. .

 Actually, after posting this, I decided that I should just go ahead with this mod... With only minor engineering, I was able to get a third pot wired in place, and now I have a nicely adjustable delay time! It sounds really great!
  While i was in there, I changed the stock input decoupling cap (it was 0.047 uf) to a new 0.1uf mylar film... Now the thing doesn't suck my tone anymore! I get full base response... I'm using a low Z dynamic mic (a custom job I built my self), so I can't comment about the use of this pedal as I have modified it with High Z elements... I's assume that you would still need a unity gain buffer to help match impedances if you wanted to use a high Z element...

   i'll make a Youtube video of it and post a link here when it's ready!
T-bone Bruce

I started out with a Dan Echo. I found certainly with crystal mics it drops the bottom end off, less so with CM's/dynamics. I modified mine to have a high impedance input buffer, as per the website mentioned earlier.
I sold the Dan-Echo and went for a Ibanez DE7 delay/echo which performs well. It has more delay than you'll ever need, and has a buffered input, so no tone suck.
I have a Belcat as mentioned by FFMcT, which does an OK job too. I got it as a backup. I tried a friends Fab Echo but found it knocked the bass right off.
Finally I decided to get a Lone Wolf Harp Delay. This beats all the others hands down, and of course is purpose designed for harp. Ryan Hartt has an excellent demonstration video on the Lone Wolf site showing the range of tones available from it.
isaac

Alright. As promised here's the link to my YouTube vid of my newly modified Fab Echo... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It8WOGPxOoQ

The vid is done with a Bb harp and a lowZ dynamic mic (one of my own custom made ones), into my SSTS preamp (see my thread in this forum), and finally into my 20W PA head. The cab is made from PA speakers (2x10 woofers, 2x2 tweeters)...

  I have some other vids on my YouTube channel where I used the Fab echo prior to the modification... If you do a comparative listen, hopefully you'll be able to hear the amount of improvement in base response I got from replacing the input DC blocking cap... I think that mod alone (VERY easy to do) makes a huge difference, and IMHO bumps the Fab into a higher class of pedals... Of course adding the ability to adjust the delay time helps a lot too!

Cheers,

Isaac
bloozefish

Hi Ray,
I've tried a Holy Grail reverb pedal and liked it fairly well if used with just a slight effect.  Also tried a Tone-core Echo Park, and it gave a pretty good slap-back.  But after hearing Dennis G playing through a Lone Wolf pedal and one of BrianP's Harpgear 2s at Ocala not too long ago, I ordered one of those..........  
.....long story short, the Lone Wolf was EXACTLY what I was looking for, and sounds great on all my amps.  The other two pedals are going up on the 'bay soon, unless you want to work out some kinda trade  Razz   Gimme a call if you want to try them out.

James
Ray

Hey James,

I just picked up a Dan Echo on ebay for $31 plus shipping. Like new with box and booklet, haven't received it yet. Mark will probably do the mods to it, if needed. But I've read that Dynamic and CM or CR element tone aren't really affected, mostly Crystal or ceramic. I rarely use my crystal element mics.

     

Saw Jason Ricci in Ocala last night, smokin' as usual. What a really great place he played at. Cool

Thanks for the offer, I'll be sending ya an email or callin' soon, I'm on the hunt for the proper caps for my Kalamazoo Confused

                                                                    Ray
Ray

I want to Thank everyone that responded to my post and especially a big THANKS to those that posted links for mods to pedals!

I did go with a Dan Echo that I plan to use with a Mid-Z CM mic thru my Kalamazoo. I'm guessing its a mid-z, it's not as hot as other CMs I have, but goes perfectly with the K-zoo

I've learned and enjoyed the posts on this subject. And it looks like alot of other people also has an interest too! And I'm still interested in what others are using. So, no reason for thread to stop now Very Happy The never ending search for the RIGHT combination of gear! Laughing

                Thanks again,
                Ray
bacon-fat

Has anyone else with a 2 channel amp tried this ? Lately I have been plugging the input of my delay into the second input of channel 1 ( mic is in first input of channel 1 ) and the delay output into the first input of channel 2.
Jaybird

bacon-fat wrote:
Has anyone else with a 2 channel amp tried this ? Lately I have been plugging the input of my delay into the second input of channel 1 ( mic is in first input of channel 1 ) and the delay output into the first input of channel 2.

I have used my DD-3 delay somewhat like that.  I have plugged my mic into #1 input of my  tweed champ, ran a cord from input #2 to my DD-3, and the DD-3 to input #1 of my GA-5.  Sounds good with one half in delay and one half not.

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